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	<description>The history they don't teach in Sunday School.</description>
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		<title>By: Opponent</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/steamy-hot-man-on-man-gay-islamic-sex/#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Opponent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also relevant:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1936418/Practising-Muslims-will-outnumber-Christians-by-2035.html

This suggests that Muslims, are on average, more dedicated to their faith than non-Muslims are. Allahu&#039;Alam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also relevant:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1936418/Practising-Muslims-will-outnumber-Christians-by-2035.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1936418/Practising-Muslims-will-outnumber-Christians-by-2035.html</a></p>
<p>This suggests that Muslims, are on average, more dedicated to their faith than non-Muslims are. Allahu&#8217;Alam.</p>
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		<title>By: Opponent</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/steamy-hot-man-on-man-gay-islamic-sex/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Opponent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Muslims will have their break from religion the same as the West did.&quot;

They did in Tunisia, and now there seems to be a revival:

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/africa/450701-islam-revival-in-post-ben-ali-tunisia.html
http://www.onislam.net/english/news/africa/451686-after-beards-tunisia-allows-hijab-in-id.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Muslims will have their break from religion the same as the West did.&#8221;</p>
<p>They did in Tunisia, and now there seems to be a revival:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.onislam.net/english/news/africa/450701-islam-revival-in-post-ben-ali-tunisia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.onislam.net/english/news/africa/450701-islam-revival-in-post-ben-ali-tunisia.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.onislam.net/english/news/africa/451686-after-beards-tunisia-allows-hijab-in-id.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.onislam.net/english/news/africa/451686-after-beards-tunisia-allows-hijab-in-id.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Opponent</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/steamy-hot-man-on-man-gay-islamic-sex/#comment-717</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Opponent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In a free society where no one would get killed or ostracized for leaving Islam, the mosques would be as empty as Catholic Churches are.&quot;

UK (where I live) is a free society, yet mosques are not as empty as churches, despite Muslims being a minority. Allahu&#039;Alam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In a free society where no one would get killed or ostracized for leaving Islam, the mosques would be as empty as Catholic Churches are.&#8221;</p>
<p>UK (where I live) is a free society, yet mosques are not as empty as churches, despite Muslims being a minority. Allahu&#8217;Alam.</p>
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		<title>By: Opponent</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/steamy-hot-man-on-man-gay-islamic-sex/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Opponent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Salaam Aleikum.

Islaam will one day come to an end. The ahadith affirm it:

“Then there will come another stage in which the numbers of believers will decrease, until Allaah sends a wind that will take their souls, then there will be no one left but the most evil of people, upon whom the Hour will come. Muslim (148) narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until there is no one left on earth who says, ‘Allaah, Allaah.’”

“Then whilst they are like that, Allaah will send a pleasant wind which will seize them beneath their armpits and will take the soul of every believer and every Muslim. The most evil of people will be left and they will fornicate like donkeys and upon them the Hour will come.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam Aleikum.</p>
<p>Islaam will one day come to an end. The ahadith affirm it:</p>
<p>“Then there will come another stage in which the numbers of believers will decrease, until Allaah sends a wind that will take their souls, then there will be no one left but the most evil of people, upon whom the Hour will come. Muslim (148) narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until there is no one left on earth who says, ‘Allaah, Allaah.’”</p>
<p>“Then whilst they are like that, Allaah will send a pleasant wind which will seize them beneath their armpits and will take the soul of every believer and every Muslim. The most evil of people will be left and they will fornicate like donkeys and upon them the Hour will come.”</p>
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		<title>By: Opponent</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/steamy-hot-man-on-man-gay-islamic-sex/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Opponent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another urban legend?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another urban legend?</p>
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		<title>By: Opponent</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/steamy-hot-man-on-man-gay-islamic-sex/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Opponent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...Gay Islamic...&quot;

Isn&#039;t that an oxymoron? Misleading headline...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Gay Islamic&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that an oxymoron? Misleading headline&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: heathensguide</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/steamy-hot-man-on-man-gay-islamic-sex/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heathensguide]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 00:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing how many people who disagree with me naturally seem to think I have no background in religions. For the record, I do.  But that doesn&#039;t matter to this discussion.

Firstly, If you really believe that Islam does not allow you to judge anyone, you&#039;re woefully misinformed.  Read the Quran and Hadith, then pick up a Bible and any other Holy Book that Islam accepts.  You&#039;ll see tons of commandments to kill, stone, beat, and maim people for doing things your religion does not like. It&#039;s all about judgment.

Second, I am NOT neutral, and will not pretend to be.  Why? Because gays (and a lot of other groups) are tortured and killed every year  for their lifestyles.  I get the culture differences. (And yes, I&#039;ve been to mosque many times, I&#039;ve also celebrated Passover with the Jews, Mass with the Catholics, and Ramadan with Muslims and Baha&#039;Is, and studied world religions at university for five years. So no, I am not ignorant of the religions and I have worked to understand them.)

In short, I do not care what the cultural differences are. Killing and beating gays is wrong everywhere. As are child brides, slaves, and dozens of other things that are accepted in various subcultures around the world.  That some people accept them as good and decent does not make them so, no matter what god they believe in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing how many people who disagree with me naturally seem to think I have no background in religions. For the record, I do.  But that doesn&#8217;t matter to this discussion.</p>
<p>Firstly, If you really believe that Islam does not allow you to judge anyone, you&#8217;re woefully misinformed.  Read the Quran and Hadith, then pick up a Bible and any other Holy Book that Islam accepts.  You&#8217;ll see tons of commandments to kill, stone, beat, and maim people for doing things your religion does not like. It&#8217;s all about judgment.</p>
<p>Second, I am NOT neutral, and will not pretend to be.  Why? Because gays (and a lot of other groups) are tortured and killed every year  for their lifestyles.  I get the culture differences. (And yes, I&#8217;ve been to mosque many times, I&#8217;ve also celebrated Passover with the Jews, Mass with the Catholics, and Ramadan with Muslims and Baha&#8217;Is, and studied world religions at university for five years. So no, I am not ignorant of the religions and I have worked to understand them.)</p>
<p>In short, I do not care what the cultural differences are. Killing and beating gays is wrong everywhere. As are child brides, slaves, and dozens of other things that are accepted in various subcultures around the world.  That some people accept them as good and decent does not make them so, no matter what god they believe in.</p>
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		<title>By: heathensguide</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/steamy-hot-man-on-man-gay-islamic-sex/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heathensguide]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 00:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just now got around to replying though.  Thx for the insight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just now got around to replying though.  Thx for the insight.</p>
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		<title>By: heathensguide</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heathensguide]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 00:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, the many times I&#039;ve encountered this from Muslims.  Yes, I am aware that there are many, many Muslims who do not ascribe to the rigid stupidity I spoke of in this post.  But you casually dismiss as inconsequential Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia (you can toss in Indonesia and other countries as well) where these things are the law.  You can find many communities that are indifferent to homosexuality, but the law of the land is based on the Quran and the Hadith. Those countries that hold to a strict interpretation do, in fact, fit the profile I allude to in this article. 

In more moderate countries like UAE or Morocco, the dominant morality tends to be Arabic, not Islamic, which is more tolerant.

I have long said that Islam is a faith waiting for its Martin Luther: The reformer who can take the moderation the people ascribe to and use it to usurp the power base.  So far, this has not happened, and the power base remains strong and (yes) anti-gay. I&#039;ve yet to meet an imam in any country that is willing to say that homosexuality is OK.  If you know one, please send me his email. I&#039;d love to interview him.

As to where to find the gay prohibition in the Quran, 7:80 is often quoted to show that it prohibits gay sex:&quot;Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.&quot;  

But there&#039;s lots in the Hadiths.  Google it and you&#039;ll see that they&#039;re rather unequivocal in their prohibition of same-sex unions.           

&lt;em&gt;Malik related to me that he asked Ibn Shihab about someone who committed sodomy. Ibn Shihab said, &quot;He is to be stoned, whether or not he is muhsan.&quot;
Al-Muwatta 41 41.111

AbuDawud said: From here I remembered this tradition from Mu&#039;ammil and Musa: Beware! No man should lie with another man, no woman should lie with another woman except with one&#039;s child or father. He also mentioned a third which I have forgotten...
Abu Dawud 11:2169 &lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the many times I&#8217;ve encountered this from Muslims.  Yes, I am aware that there are many, many Muslims who do not ascribe to the rigid stupidity I spoke of in this post.  But you casually dismiss as inconsequential Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia (you can toss in Indonesia and other countries as well) where these things are the law.  You can find many communities that are indifferent to homosexuality, but the law of the land is based on the Quran and the Hadith. Those countries that hold to a strict interpretation do, in fact, fit the profile I allude to in this article. </p>
<p>In more moderate countries like UAE or Morocco, the dominant morality tends to be Arabic, not Islamic, which is more tolerant.</p>
<p>I have long said that Islam is a faith waiting for its Martin Luther: The reformer who can take the moderation the people ascribe to and use it to usurp the power base.  So far, this has not happened, and the power base remains strong and (yes) anti-gay. I&#8217;ve yet to meet an imam in any country that is willing to say that homosexuality is OK.  If you know one, please send me his email. I&#8217;d love to interview him.</p>
<p>As to where to find the gay prohibition in the Quran, 7:80 is often quoted to show that it prohibits gay sex:&#8221;Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.&#8221;  </p>
<p>But there&#8217;s lots in the Hadiths.  Google it and you&#8217;ll see that they&#8217;re rather unequivocal in their prohibition of same-sex unions.           </p>
<p><em>Malik related to me that he asked Ibn Shihab about someone who committed sodomy. Ibn Shihab said, &#8220;He is to be stoned, whether or not he is muhsan.&#8221;<br />
Al-Muwatta 41 41.111</p>
<p>AbuDawud said: From here I remembered this tradition from Mu&#8217;ammil and Musa: Beware! No man should lie with another man, no woman should lie with another woman except with one&#8217;s child or father. He also mentioned a third which I have forgotten&#8230;<br />
Abu Dawud 11:2169 </em></p>
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		<title>By: heathensguide</title>
		<link>http://heathensguide.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/steamy-hot-man-on-man-gay-islamic-sex/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heathensguide]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 00:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope.  I only ever delete spam.  All replies are posted unless they are advertising penis enhancements or some such thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  I only ever delete spam.  All replies are posted unless they are advertising penis enhancements or some such thing.</p>
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